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Brilliant effort to promote Jesus in the media

My friend Scott has written an article that appears in the latest edition of Quadrant magazine and online:

Why the national curriculum must include the Bible‘.

It’s brilliant, and a strong argument refuting those who contend that the Bible has no place in the Australian education system.

Too often as Christians we save our arguments for preaching to the converted, or simply complain about to each other about the way things are. Scott’s article is an example of a Christian speaking out and raising compelling arguments in the public domain.

In a very different (i.e. lesser) league…

Back in March I wrote an article in response to one of the more ridiculous claims that Richard Dawkins during in his visit. I felt compelled to respond. Here’s the intro to the article:

“One of the more staggering comments made by Richard Dawkins during the recent Q&A debate on ABC1 was in response to the question “Do you wish for or hope for an afterlife?”. Of all the possible atheist responses Dawkins could have chosen, he said:

“When you say – is this it? How much more do you want? This is wonderful!”.

His naivety was staggering. As my friend commented, “Take him to the Congo and see how that statement goes down.” About 1.4 billion people in the world live on less than US $1.25 a day.  Most of the world will go to bed hungry tonight. More children, women and men are held in slavery right now than over the course of the entire trans-Atlantic slave trade. One in 5 women is a victim of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime. More than 2 million children are exploited in the global sex trade. And thatʼs not to mention the struggles in our own nation with mental illness, loneliness, homelessness, domestic violence, cyber-bullying, financial insecurities – insert your own struggles here. Wonderful? Only a wealthy Westerner would consider that ʻthisʼ existence is wonderful.”

I pitched it to a couple of media agencies but it wasn’t accepted. For me, this was a good exercise in responding to the issues of the day – I’m not feeling discouraged that it wasn’t accepted – it was my first attempt! If you’re interested, you can download – “This isn’t wonderful” (PDF).

What stops atheists believing?

Two questions are asked:

  1. If you don’t believe in God, what would it take for you to believe?
  2. If you do believe in God, what would it take for you not to believe?

An interesting idea for an online discussion. You can read the (104 at last count) answers here.

And for some (as Jesus himself made clear), no evidence would be good enough:

“I probably won’t believe until I’m either standing in front of the sky fairy in heaven or roasting for all eternity in hell. I believe the chances for either to be infinitismally small. If I did believe in God, I’d be a disthiest.”

Thanks Glen for letting me know about this and for your ever interesting posts!

As a related aside, Andrew makes an interesting observation about the media’s interest in atheism:

“When 2000-3000 atheists turn up in Melbourne for a conference to listen to some talks the media turns up to report on it. When 2000-3000 Christians (plus 1000 children) turn up to Katoomba for a conference to listen to some talks, it is just another Easter (or another one of the 5 conferences that KCC run, some over multiple weekends as 3000 seats are not enough)”.

Where are the Christians?

When Dawkins was in town recently I wrote several posts, reflecting on the value of the discussions that his visit generated:

This afternoon I read Chris Uhlmann’s post ‘God, the Christian socialist and the Mad Monk‘. Uhlmann describes himself as a ‘lapsed Catholic’, but gives a detailed account of the Easter message from the Gospel of Mark. Uhlmann concludes:

“Maybe Mark is saying Christ proved everyone has the capacity to be godlike, if we have the courage to embrace the best of ourselves.”

Obviously I disagree with the conclusion. But it was good to see Jesus getting a mention in the media over Easter.

As usual, the post attracted a number of comments – 46 in fact – not many compared with similar discussions online. What stood out (again) was the people who were commenting. Only 3 or 4 were sympathetic with Uhlmann, the rest, well – here’s a sample:

“I resent the authors sentiment that my rationality bars me from any moral understanding. Is is this arrogance that pushes me to become a so called ‘militant’ atheist.”

and

“When you have absolute proof of there actually being a man in the sky that forgives us all our tresspass, whilst tresspassing on us to fully, completely and without question, submit to “his” will, then and only then, will I even begin to think that you’re not a deluded fool.”

Where are the Christians in these online discussions? I’m assuming not every Christian has read my post on ‘Why debating atheists online is a fruitless pursuit‘!

  • Do you comment on posts? Why/why not?
  • Are you more likely to comment if you agree with the author, or disagree?

6 online apologetics resources

I’ve just returned from Katoomba Easter Convention. A wonderful weekend of fellowship and cracker Bible teaching. One preacher I was particularly looking forward to hearing was Dr John Lennox – Professor of Mathematics at Oxford University. The talks were brilliant (as were the talks by Stephen Um and Ray Galea) – they will soon be available online. John is a master apologist and gift to the church, science and the world. I’d like to share with you some online resources to access John’s material, as well as other apologists online.

  1. The website of John Lennox. Talks and resources, including ‘Who created the Creator?‘.
  2. Apologetics 315. A resource I frequently return to with recommended books, top 16 apologetics podcasts, quotes, and a basic logic primer.
  3. The God Delusion Debate. A debate between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox. Lennox is brilliant.
  4. Reasonable Faith. The site of apologist William Lane Craig – one of the best known apologists of our day. An interesting resource is Craig’s weekly ‘Q and A‘.
  5. The website of Lee Strobel. A friend of mine became a Christian after reading the Case for Faith. I read it recently and loved the style – Lee asks all those curly questions about Christianity that Christians often get asked, and documents the answers he receives. This site has links to Lee’s books, a large collection of videos, and a blog (that unfortunately hasn’t been updated since 2008) and newsletter.
  6. Centre for Public Christianity. A range of video and print resources on topics including Christianity, the arts, world religions and more. There’s also a selection of resources from John Lennox.

Have you discovered any helpful apologetics resources online?

George Orwell on writing better

I was encouraged when I saw the testimony of Peter Hitchens – brother of atheist Christopher. He shares his testimony in a video, and also in a soon-to-be-published book, “The Rage Against Faith – How Atheism Led Me to Faith.”

This post isn’t about Peter, but is inspired by Peter. Peter is a journalist and an author, he says in the interview that when students of journalism ask him “What do I need to do to be a journalist?”, he says that “Before you do anything else, read “Politics and the English Language” by George Orwell (known best for his novel ‘Nineteen Eighty-Four‘). He explains this essay is foundational for “writing plainly about the truth”. Curious, I downloaded a copy (PDF) from the Stanford University website.

Orwell explains the problem of modern writing, and modern writing hasn’t changed much since Orwell penned his essay:

“Modern writing at its worst does not consist in picking out words for the sake of their meaning and inventing images in order to make the meaning clearer. It consists in gumming together long strips of words which have already been set in order by someone else, and making the results presentable by sheer humbug.”

Orwell’s critique isn’t of writing that is to be read for pleasure, but writing that is used to express important ideas:

“I have not here been considering the literary use of language, but merely language as an instrument for expressing and not for concealing or preventing thought.”

This is an important topic to consider because as Christians, we have a message that is precious and deserves clear expression. While as clay pots we stumble and stutter and our communication will always be stilted, becoming better communicators will be to the benefit of our message.

Orwell offers help to modern writers in their written communication:

“A scrupulous writer, in every sentence he writes, will ask himself at least four questions, thus:

  1. What am I trying to say?
  2. What words will express it?
  3. What image or idiom will make it clearer?
  4. Is this image fresh enough to have an effect?

And he will probably ask himself two more:

  1. Could I put it more shortly?
  2. Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly?

Finally, Orwell offers the following rules for avoiding “stale or mixed images, all prefabricated phrases, needless repititions, and humbug and vagueness generally”:

  1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech you are used to seeing in print.
  2. Never use a long word where a short one will do.
  3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
  4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
  5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
  6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

Why debating atheists online is a fruitless pursuit

I made a bloggers mistake last week – I stepped out of my blog niche, and started talking outside of the topic and purpose of Communicate Jesus.

When I wrote ‘Reflections on watching ABC1′s Q&A with Richard Dawkins‘, I made the mistake of critiquing the content of Dawkins’ argument. This was a mistake, not because I agree with Dawkins (nothing could be further from the truth), but because debating the existence of God, absolute v subjective morality, how the world came into being etc – are not subjects that I desire to discuss on this site. It’s not that I am uninterested in those topics – there’s just a limit to what can be discussed (we won’t be discussing the Premier League either, just to make that clear also!).

For this reason and a couple of others, I concluded that online religious debate isn’t a good idea.

This was met with a varied response. Some accused me of running from debate. Some thought if I start the debate I should stick around to finish it (it would be a 24/7 pursuit to answer all the comments that came in). Others thought I should set the example for how Christians should debate these topics online.

This prompted me to think further about the benefits of online religious debate, and, aided by debate stirred up by Dawkins and Deveny in recent weeks, I’ve read a lot of articles with a goal to observe the type of debate that takes place.

This behavioral observation hasn’t just been a recent endeavour either. I’ve engaged with atheists online several times in the past 6 months – on Twitter, on this website and on others.

My conclusion this week is even more definite than it was last week – I cannot see any benefit to debating with atheists, about religion, online. Primarily, this is because of the attitude of many of the atheists whose opinions I read. Take for example, three letters in the Sydney Morning Herald today:

“When reasoned debate is confronted by unreasonable faith, it is hardly surprising that the standard of the discussion is lowered. But to blame the reasoned debater for that outcome is surely unfair.”

“Let’s put Richard Dawkins’s comment about Steve Fielding in perspective. Dawkins had just sat next to a man – a senator, no less – who weakly and ineloquently confirmed on national television his belief that the earth is about 6000 years old. The real issue here is how anyone espousing such a belief and all that comes with it, particularly someone who makes decisions affecting all of us, escapes with a mere name-calling.”

“Neil Ormerod says ridicule does not pass for reasoned argument when it comes to considering candidates for sainthood, yet considers a reasoned argument to be: ”If medicine can’t yet account for it, it must have been God.” Ridicule is exactly what he should expect.”

The general attitude of atheists towards Christians seems to be “We don’t have to be polite because you’re stupid”. And it’s no surprise that atheists have this attitude when they have a role model like Richard Dawkins. Speaking of former British Prime Minister (and recent Catholic convert), Tony Blair, Dawkins says “I’d like to think we didn’t have a complete idiot for Prime Minister”. As Melanie Phillips contends:

“Indeed, he [Dawkins] seems almost to believe that, since everyone who believes in God is stupid or evil and Christians are stupid and evil because they believe in God, those who oppose him must be Christian and can be treated with contempt.”

My question is this – how can you debate someone who thinks you’re an idiot and that anything you say is utter stupidity? That’s no platform for any meaningful discussion, and yet this is the attitude of many of those atheists I see in debates online.

Of course, not all atheists are like this. But the vast majority of those I have engaged with are angry, rude and dismissive. I can’t see a way of engaging online that doesn’t throw more fuel on the fire, let alone advance the discussion.

I’m writing this post because I want us, as Christians, to carefully consider how we use our time, and how we use technology, and particularly the internet (in this case) to bring glory to God. We need to think very carefully about engaging in these debates online, and it would take a lot of convincing to get me back into the arena.

There are great opportunities for offline debate. For example, John Lennox is compelling when he debates Dawkins in ‘The God Delusion Debate‘ (and I’ve asked the ABC to invite him onto the panel of Q&A when he arrives later this month). Not to mention conversations in person, between believers and non-believers.

I think there’s also opportunity for great discussions between Christians and agnostics, and people from other religions. I even think there is opportunity to have discussions with atheists who aren’t out of the Dawkins/Deveny mold.

But for those who seek only to mock, scoff, deride and ridicule, I think we need to speak less, and instead, take seriously the whole-of-life approach encouraged by Peter in 1 Peter 2:12 -

“Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.”

Do you agree with me? Why or why not?

Update (14 April 2010)

(Feature image attribution: Magnolia Red)

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